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Join us today for a conversation on social media archiving. We want to hear about your work. #DocNowCommunity pic.twitter.com/M7un7nOiQm- Thanks for joining us today. Make sure to use #DocNowCommunity so we can track the convo and use A1, A2, etc, as you reply to questions.
- This will be a general conversation today about social media archiving but we hope to have more focused chats in the future #DocNowCommunity
We got started by letting participants introduce themselves if they wanted to.
- Also, tell us a bit about yourself and where you’re joining us from if you don’t mind sharing. #DocNowCommunity
- Hello, #DocNowCommunity! I'm Sam. I'm currently working on a web + social media archiving project at the Wisconsin-Archives.
- Hi #DocNowCommunity! I'm Melissa, special collections librarian @cwru in Cleveland, OH.
- Alexandra here, UX designer from the @documentnow team #DocNowCommunity
- Hi #DocNowCommunity - archivist & PhD student at UMD, currently on here from A2. Hoping to bring lessons to work in special collections.
- hi #DocnowCommunity - i'm the director of technology for @dpla
- I'm Bergis Jules and I'll be posting the questions today. Archivist at @ucrlibraries. Working on @documentnow project. #docnowcommunity
- Hi #DocNowCommunity, I'm on the advisory board and tuning in from Mexico City today!
- Hey #DocnowCommunity, I'm Senior Digital Archivist at @UKParlArchives. I'm responsible for our web archive programme.
- Hi #DocNowCommunity I'm Kate, academic archivist in Denver. Hoping to bring more sj documentation to my practice, at mpow and in community.
- Hi #docnowcommunity, I'm the university archivist @GWUArchives, and I'm one of the people working on the @SocialFeedMgr project
- @save4use @GWUArchives @SocialFeedMgr Welcome. Please feel free to talk about SFM here work. #DocNowCommunity
- Hello #DocNowCommunity. I'm on the @SocialFeedMgr team at GWU, working on tools for collecting social media. http://go.gwu.edu/sfm
- Hi #DocNowCommunity, I'm at George Washington University in DC and work on the Social Feed Manager project http://go.gwu.edu/sfm
- @documentnow SFM is open source software 4 building social media collections from many platforms http://go.gwu.edu/sfm #DocNowCommunity
- Stephanie from Wake Forest University in Winston-Salem, NC #DocNowCommunity
- Hello #docnowcommunity - I'm an archivist in SW Virginia and I follow along on Slack. Very interested in seeing this project evolve.
- Hi #DocNowCommunity - I'm Bert, from @AVPreserve. I designed & taught a web and social media archives course for UW-Madison.
- Hi #DocNowCommunity, by day I work in the archives at @LaMaMaETC. also a member of @Librarians2Pal and @XFR_collective.
- #DocNowCommunity Film/video archivist. Many types of content/formats including 10 years documenting police and army in U.S. and N. Ireland.
- Hi #docnowcommunity! I'm the digital curator at Harvard law school. Did some archiving of #reclaimharvardlaw this year - mostly blogs though
- Hi #DocNowCommunity, I am stacey, digital archivist at @Beloit_College and instructor with the @digitalPOWRR project.
- Desiree Jones-Smith with the @documentnow team. I am excited to join the conversation #DocNowCommunity.
Q1: Tell us about some of the social media archives you're building right now and why. Also, subjects? Concerns?
- Q1. Tell us about some of the social media archives you’re building right now and why. Also, subjects? Concerns? #DocNowCommunity
- A1. Tweets related to #RNCinCLE, thinking about other social media as well. #DocNowCommunity
- @melissa_hubbard is this adding to an existing collecting area at your institution? #DocNowCommunity
- @documentnow No. It's a research project; I may donate the datasets to my university as well as http://archivingpoliceviolence.org #DocNowCommunity
- .@documentnow Neither currently has plan for non-public data other than university records, so that's a barrier #DocNowCommunity
- A1: currently none- but interested in social media archival discovery on a nat'l level & how they can be contextualized #DocnowCommunity
- @anarchivist Say more. Are social media collections something @dpla is thinking about? #DocNowCommunity
- @documentnow they're something I'm thinking about. i'd like @dpla or another initiative to help w/ discovery, access, use, & interpretation
- A1 @megan_ohern & I did a pilot on labor Twitter w lots of help from @edsu http://lis.cua.edu/res/docs/cualis16-ohern-wickner.pdf … #DocNowCommunity
- A1 Next: reach out to student body, get dialogue started abt social media in University Archives - will they be down? #DocNowCommunity
- A1. At @rhizome we're creating dynamic archives of art on social media: http://webenact.rhizome.org #DocNowCommunity
- #docnowcommunity I'll throw out a question: what will we as a society lose if we fail to document the now?
- @theucrlibrarian I work in gov't. Appreciative of libs archiving content outside of gov't mandate! (i.e. floor sit-in) #DocNowCommunity
- #docnowcommunity Traditional archivists freq cite 4% as percent of daily communications having longterm value. Does this apply to soc media?
- @theucrlibrarian #docnowcommunity If so, how do we do archival appraisal on social media? What strategies will we employ?
- @theucrlibrarian Not sure. Think it depends on what you're collecting about? What do others think? #DocNowCommunity
- @documentnow @theucrlibrarian i think appraisal should consider the varied voices, not just the "most popular", definitely #docnowcommunity
- Q1 We use Archive-It for social media pages of groups related to official & unoff campus groups; mostly FB, Twitter, blogs #DocNowCommunity
- All social media archives at mpow are off. university record. Would love to work w comm orgs also. #DocNowCommunity https://twitter.com/documentnow/status/753665765220376576 …
- Q1 We try to capture the wide-ranging work, interests, efforts of students, fac, and staff without intruding #DocNowCommunity
- @stephestellar are you able to pull data for analysis in a useful way? #docnowcommunity
- @fromADMwithlove We aren't there yet! #DocNowCommunity
- I'm collecting #therealuw ( http://bit.ly/1plBYA9 ) for @UWMadArchives. _Lots_ of concerns (on my end): mostly ethics. #DocNowCommunity
- In order to mitigate some of my fears, I've been meeting one-on-one with students involved in #therealuw movement. #docnowcommunity
- I've also been thinking a lot about this, from @jmddrake, as I build this #therealuw collection: http://bit.ly/29GOMvn #DocNowCommunity
- @sabramse Nice. Are you... cold calling? What kinds of reactions so far? #DocNowCommunity
- @amelish I've also met with people who are not interested, and we respect that. #DocNowCommunity
- @fromADMwithlove @sabramse Yup. About what I would expect tbh. Do you feel confident in project goals being understood? #DocNowCommunity
- @sabramse (bc I'm not 100$ confident I could adequately explain, anticipate & answer questions, understand the issues...) #DocNowCommunity
- @sabramse ahaha derp that's *100%* but for 100$ what I couldn't do #DocNowCommunity
- .@documentnow It started on Twitter, and morphed into more — art exhibit, student walk-outs, a visual campaign.
- .@documentnow We're collecting the Tweets, webpages, and starting an oral history collection w/r/t #therealuw.
- .@documentnow #therealuw was started by Wisconsin students to draw attention to / protest racism on campus.
- .@documentnow It started on Twitter, and morphed into more — art exhibit, student walk-outs, a visual campaign.
- @amelish @fromADMwithlove Sometimes. I've met with people who totally get it, and people who looked at me and said, "What's an archive?"
- A1 @joecar25 & I & others looked at social media archiving via this class w @tjowens http://www.dighist.org/2016-projects/ #DocNowCommunity
- Curious who else is teaching in this area, and how it's working for you! #DocNowCommunity
- Good question: who IS teaching social media archiving? #DocNowCommunity https://twitter.com/amelish/status/753668664671502336 …
- I'm very interested in ethics of documenting online speech, making sure tools are multilingual, user-friendly outside US #DocNowCommunity
- A1: none, but @XFR_collective has been working w/ social change-oriented oral historians re: this and related questions #DocNowCommunity
- A1: I'm also concerned about college's use of Snapchat w/ Admissions, replacing other things that aren't easily documented #DocNowCommunity
Q2: What are barriers to you doing social media archiving? Tools? Technical know how? Institutional priorities? Cost?
- Q2. What are barriers to you doing social media archiving? Tools? Technical know how? Institutional priorities? Cost? #DocNowCommunity
- eriratansey: A2 Seriously not trying to be a smart aleck, but all of the above #DocNowCommunity https://twitter.com/eiratansey/status/753668830199775232 …
- @eiratansey Tell us more. What would help you? #DocNowCommunity
- eiratansey: @documentnow A free (GUI or beginner-friendly CLI)tool that I could "set and forget" I know this is a unicorn!! #DocNowCommunity https://twitter.com/eiratansey/status/753669402332135424 …
- @eiratansey we believe in unicorns! 🦄 #documentnow
- @eiratansey @documentnow We're in the unicorn making business :)
- @eiratansey What tools have you tried? How have they succeeeded/failed? #docnowcommunity
- eiratansey: @fromADMwithlove mostly twarc and webrecorder.io since I don't have dedicated $ for Archive-It. https://twitter.com/eiratansey/status/753669547350224896 …
- @eiratansey we are very interested in how to make docnow work with a variety of web archiving tools for this reason #docnowcommunity
- Cosign @eiratansey 4 ppl from archives, preservation, tech meet reg to review Archive-It work. That's our strategy. #DocNowCommunity
- #DocNowCommunity A2: As we collaborate w/ other institutions building collections w/ @SocialFeedMgr, Twitter's terms of service are barrier.
- Haven't collected xcpt pub, off. uni accounts partly bc of ethical concerns re coll w/out permiss. #DocNowCommunity https://twitter.com/documentnow/status/753665765220376576 …
- @kcrowe are you considering an outreach approach to gather other social media archive sets? #docnowcommunity
- @fromADMwithlove def! Until v recently, if anything needed to happen re: outreach I needed to "fit it in" solo. Spoiler: that didn't happen!
- A2. One roadblock currently is we have a strong focus on Twitter data and limited toolsets for other Social Media sites @documentnow
- @documentnow A2: Lack of stewardship standards for handling containers/executables! (like WARC files) #DocNowCommunity
- A2 I would add people, specifically me and my personal blind spots #DocNowCommunity
- A2. For institution: priorities, time. We're just getting started with web archives. No one has had time to dig into social #DocNowCommunity
- Q2 #DocNowCommunity also this is implied in your question but has to be said: money
- Yes. $ and inst priorities. I'm lucky enough to be at org which pays for Archive-It. #DocNowCommunity https://twitter.com/captain_maybe/status/753669794151432192 …
- .@kcrowe are you using ArchiveIt to archive social media at all? #DocNowCommunity
- Yes, we crawl the official uni FB page. Will also w Twitter this fiscal yr. #DocNowCommunity https://twitter.com/edsu/status/753672253515132929 …
- Same as w phys records (+time to lrn/eval unfam tech)-time to dedicate to coll dev in small shop. #DocNowCommunity https://twitter.com/documentnow/status/753668250777419777 …
- @kcrowe can't help that there aren't set guidelines for appraisal, pres, publication, etc. hard enough when there are! #docnowcommunity
- A2 Maybe I convince my org to collect social media, but I'm just one (odd) person and am bound to overlook ___ #DocNowCommunity
- A2 oh for a brain trust. #DocNowCommunity
- waiting on bureaucracy for archive-it account but planning for that when it gets here. Interested in student voices. #docnowcommunity
- A2: other than scope of work? legal issues - terms of service and IP/privacy rights. #DocNowCommunity
- A2. Bureaucracy, staff time, inability to replace current work w/new work, paralyzed by ethical considerations. #docnowcommunity
- A2. Tools not so much, although development should be continual, nothing perfect out there. #docnowcommunity
- A2: Ethical issues -how to collect materials from students without making them feel under a microscope,discouraging sharing #DocNowCommunity
- Active discussions on value of collecting, empowering them to opt out, help frame, can help #docnowcommunity https://twitter.com/staceyerdman/status/753673932734169088 …
- A2: Time and education. It's hard to convince traditionalists that we are losing valuable information by neglecting this #DocNowCommunity
Q3: What would be your top concerns if you found out your tweets were being archived?
- Q3. What would be your top concerns if you found out your tweets were being archived? #DocNowCommunity
- A3. why they were, and who was doing the archiving. #DocNowCommunity
- @anarchivist What reasons would make you feel better about it? #DocNowCommunity
- A3 (cont) it depends. :) a conversation about is more likely to lead me to a positive response @documentnow #DocNowCommunity
- @anarchivist @documentnow Would you want an opt in/out based on the project description? #docnowcommunity
- @fromADMwithlove @documentnow probably - i'm curious about how opt-outs done after collection would play out specifically #DocNowCommunity
- @anarchivist @documentnow Definitely - are they truly removed, or subsetted? what if opt out comes after a publication? #docnowcommunity
- @fromADMwithlove (Chiming in to say - that would soothe my concerns!)
- . @CrowCamera's phd research was in this area #DocNowCommunity https://twitter.com/anarchivist/status/753670351104667649 …
- A3. By whom and with what agenda? Social data seems easy to manipulate, I'd worry about authenticity. #DocNowCommunity
- noticiation and project descriptions can help - great point about manip! data validation is impt #docnowcommunity https://twitter.com/melissa_hubbard/status/753671049095569409 …
- A3. For what reason is someone collecting them? How will they be used? #DocNowCommunity
- @bertramlyons What uses would you be ok with? #DocNowCommunity
- @documentnow Any, really, short of financial gain. My tweets are public, and I am aware of that when I create them. #DocNowCommunity
- @bertramlyons @documentnow Agree, but how aware would the wider public be? Not so sure myself... #DocNowCommunity
- @bertramlyons @documentnow This is how I feel too, as many who are aware of public identity and how they use twitter #docnowcommunity
- #DocNowCommunity Q3. Loss of context, loss of personal control, the (potential) inability to revoke access to content later in life.
- A3. Context of tweets, include both temporal & specific thread context #DocNowCommunity
- Q3 #DocNowCommunity a general fear of surveillance. which i realize is crazy since tweets are public info. but context is important
- Yup. Public account doesn't mean all bets are off, as journalists have found by f-ing it up #DocNowCommunity https://twitter.com/captain_maybe/status/753671493373026305 …
- Context is valuable but doesn't prevent willing misuse, thoughts on combatting this? #DocNowCommunity https://twitter.com/amelish/status/753672023658946560 …
- Currently lurking on #DocNowCommunity. Lots of interesting insight, even though I don't (currently) deal directly w/digital mat's.
- #DocNowCommunity A3. I would worry about losing the context of my tweets, especially those using replies and hashtags.
- A lot of people we talk to have this concern #DocNowCommunity https://twitter.com/MegDaLibrarian/status/753671545285926912 …
- . @BergisJules yes- I'm even a little uncomfortable to have a tweet used in an article, in case it's taken out of context #DocNowCommunity
- + As w/everything digital but perhaps particularly Twitter, understanding the platform (140-character limit) is crucial. #DocNowCommunity
- Q3. I wouldn't have any particular concerns, which I recognize makes me an outlier #DocNowCommunity
- @save4use me either, but I think this comes with being archivists & understanding what "public" means long-term #docnowcommunity
- imagine teenagers now, and what they may feel 10 in yrs...so glad twitter didnt exist for me then #docnowcommunity https://twitter.com/destreservation/status/753672290903138304 …
- A3: @documentnow Truthfully: Would prefer not to document pre-adult life choices on social media
- Q3 Feeling of "blown cover" even tho #twitter; lack of timeline context: what, when, where; who's using & to what end #DocNowCommunity
- Am likely naive but have v few-I'm in pos of maj priv, white cishet, gainfully employed as faculty. #DocNowCommunity https://twitter.com/documentnow/status/753670415218724865 …
- Q3 privacy. privacy. privacy. #DocNowCommunity
- Late to the #DocNowCommunity party, catching up now. A3 deletion, what is archivists standard of diligence re: what creators want preserved
- Q3 How classical social media archiving works (as datastream) is very much removing context unfortunately. #DocNowCommunity
- @despens the real context problem is something different - content moving from, say, twitter to a neo-nazi blog #DocNowCommunity
- @michael_connor Social media as "data" is constructed as a record with clear provenance, when it is not how it was produced #DocNowCommunity
- @despens How do we improve capturing context with the tools and resources currently avaliable? #DocNowCommunity
- @C_Fryer You need new tools. #DocNowCommunity
- A little bit about what prompted us to build DocNow. #DocNowCommunity https://medium.com/on-archivy/documenting-the-now-ferguson-in-the-archives-adcdbe1d5788#.2qzzadxig …
- eiratansey: A3 once had a public FB post end up on reddit w/ ppl going "lol this lady" (but ...meaner). It sucked but what could I do? #DocNowCommunity
https://twitter.com/eiratansey/status/753671243304427520 … - @eiratansey That's brutal. Was it a screenshot?
- eiratansey: @fromADMwithlove yeah, from a business's public FB page. without redacting my very google-able name and including details about my job https://twitter.com/eiratansey/status/753671985746550784 …
- @eiratansey Sorry you went through that - I also have a unique name and think about this constantly in digital presence #docnowcommunity
- eiratansey: @fromADMwithlove thanks. it wound down after a few days but it really sucked and made me feel unsafe while it was unfolding #DocNowCommunity https://twitter.com/eiratansey/status/753673481632571392 …
- Q3 #DocNowCommunity Concur w/issues others raised re: surveillance, context, authenticity. Possibility to facilitate state actors who troll.
- @documentnow #DocNowCommunity interpretation.
Q4: What are some ethical concerns with collection, long term preservation, or providing access to social media archives?
- Q4. What are some ethical concerns with collection, long term preservation, or providing access to social media archives? #DocNowCommunity
- @documentnow #DocNowCommunity concerned about collection of tweets from minors.
- Yes. This is a major concern. #DocNowCommunity https://twitter.com/J_IreneTieman/status/753672890495688705 …
- A4. Surveillance & intimidation of activists by the state. I don’t want to build archives that can support those activities #DocNowCommunity
- A4. Been thinking abt accountability. Twitter users saved Mark Hughes last week, but archives would show him as suspect #DocNowCommunity
- @melissa_hubbard What seems like a reasonable amount of accountability to you? Removal? Annotation? (who does these things?)
- @melissa_hubbard @MegDaLibrarian it looks like both of you find context key. Can you provide an example of appropriate context?
- @dpjones1983 @melissa_hubbard Web Twitter w/clickable hashtags and expandable threads of replies provides context at time of creation.
- @dpjones1983 @melissa_hubbard I kind of think of it like link rot (which is also an issue, especially w/directly tweeted articles & RTs).
- @dpjones1983 @melissa_hubbard OTOH, we are ethically obliged to respect private tweets, etc. even when public acct's reply. #DocNowCommunity
- @dpjones1983 @MegDaLibrarian Coll. of Mark Hughes-related tweets explaining what happened to him in scope note or similar #DocNowCommunity
- .@dpjones1983 Seems like unicorn tool could rm identifiers. :-) Annotation/contextualization much more complex. 1/2 #DocNowCommunity
- .@dpjones1983 But also similar to any archival description. Neutrality impossible, but creating context helps. #DocNowCommunity
- #DocNowCommunity It's also about context WITHIN a carefully curated profile. I may share something knowing its informed by my other stuff
- Q4 You have to match your archiving practice with users' expectations, which can be very diverse. #docnowcommunity
- Q4 again, privacy. I feel like Twitter TOS looms to the point of obscuring other considerations about what to capture #DocNowCommunity
- I guess this could count as A4 too. For instance if someone deletes a tweet long after creation. Should continually check? #DocNowCommunity
- @joecar25 Check/remove before each time dataset is used? Or maybe deleted tweets get subsetted for use in aggregate only? #docnowcommunity
- @fromADMwithlove @joecar25 Getting into heavy curation of social media data sets, when focus is often on volume, aggregate #DocNowCommunity
- @fromADMwithlove @joecar25 another kind of archival work we might struggle to convey to researchers who want ALL THE DATA? #DocNowCommunity
- @amelish @fromADMwithlove Indeed but I think removal of deleted tweets could work in bulk on a request basis. #DocNowCommunity
- A4 it seems like it would be improper to suggest that a tech process could solve these issues or promise invulnerabilty #DocNowCommunity
- @amelish @fromADMwithlove Definitely agree that having users understand why part of the dataset was removed is a dif story #DocNowCommunity
- the layers of complexity... how do you explain a dataset in 5 years, after levels of mediation? #docnowcommunity https://twitter.com/joecar25/status/753676302629175296 …
- @fromADMwithlove Don't think of "data", think of activities, performance, narration. #DocNowCommunity
- eiratansey: I always think of @edsu mentioning how a private security firm asked him for his Ferguson tweets #DocNowCommunity https://twitter.com/eiratansey/status/753673343556055040 …
- .@eiratansey it happened — twice in fact. #DocNowCommunity
- @eiratansey Yes. And recent FBI intimidation of activists like @Nettaaaaaaaa, @samswey, and others ahead of RNC convention #DocNowCommunity
- eiratansey: @BergisJules not just the FBI, also random MRA dudes who hate women with opinions online and threaten their safety #DocNowCommunity https://twitter.com/eiratansey/status/753674673649483776 …
- @eiratansey @BergisJules does preserving in a coll actually make it worse? Gov't prob has own archive & trolls act quickly #DocNowCommunity
- eiratansey: @save4use some people close/delete accts after harassment/doxxing. Having it exist in archive could be a painful reminder #DocNowCommunity https://twitter.com/eiratansey/status/753677480767131648 …
- Yes. I've wondered about removing personal identifiers from data before permanent archiving #DocNowCommunity https://twitter.com/BergisJules/status/753672931130023937 …
- @melissa_hubbard pt 2/2 also removing handle is removing attribution, "stealing voice" etc, from other side of the argument #docnowcommunity
- @melissa_hubbard difficult ex: remove handle, but keep full tweet - can still find person through twitter search (p t1/2) #docnowcommunity
- Q4 I think a lot about Right To Be Forgotten - publishing in student paper vs online post that's hyper-findable #docnowcommunity
- Q4 +But I also ask, what about when students become public figures as adults? Is there a right for *all* to be forgotten? #docnowcommunity
- @stephestellar Maybe? But who decides which people are subject to that level of scrutiny?
- @MegDaLibrarian Not good is simplistic, but you know what I mean.
- @MegDaLibrarian Exactly! I tend to go with letting ephemera be ephemera; if they're not good people, they'll likely repeat mistakes publicly
- @stephestellar I'm conflicted, because yay right to be forgotten but also yay calling politicians out on problematic deleted tweets.
- A4. Context & revision & consent. #docnowcommunity
- Q4. As a university archivist, when considering collecting tweets by students, I have to remember I'm a rep of the uni #DocNowCommunity
- @save4use And how does that affect your decisions? #DocNowCommunity
- People won't see me as "an archivist", but as "the university", which as someone else mentioned, can feel oppressive #DocNowCommunity
- @save4use uni relationships w/community can be so fraught. Eminent domain issues, private police force, etc. #DocNowCommunity
- Also, universities tend to be very risk-averse places, so I have to match that #DocNowCommunity
- #docnowcommunity A4. Wonder if ppl would take back consent in the same way they revise their social media histories +
- #docnowcommunity A4. + It's the same concept, deciding you don't want content preserved from when you were younger after all
- A4 Any process develop to protect vulnerable entities will also protect those in power #DocNowCommunity
- @despens sure, but they already have lots of protection #DocNowCommunity
- @edsu But then that protection gets technically formalized and you will have to make bespoke decisions again #DocNowCommunity
- @despens Could you say more about this? #DocNowCommunity
- @clancynewyork A tech process to opt in/out of archiving cn help an activist or remove responsibility of an elected offical #DocNowCommunity
- @despens Ah, sort of right-to-be-forgotten. Thanks for clarification. #DocNowCommunity
- Q4 - oh, and accessibility for all. Image descriptions, video transcripts, etc available as needed, if not by default #docnowcommunity
Q5: How do you make appraisal decisions around what hashtags, keywords, or users to collect when building a SM collection?
- Q5. How do you make appraisal decisions around what hashtags, keywords, or users to collect when building a SM collection? #DocNowCommunity
- A5. We typically ask permission from the creator of a feed that we archive, but not from commenters/likers #DocNowCommunity
- A5 no idea - I look forward to hearing what you all at @documentnow have to say about this #DocNowCommunity
- @captain_maybe How do you make appraisal decisions now? Do you see those same models working for social media archives? #DocNowCommunity
- @documentnow i actually think trad appraisal is problematic, am developing methods to better document marginalized ppl #DocNowCommunity
- @captain_maybe I agree. Do you have any pointers to what you are doing in this area? #DocNowCommunity
- @edsu i'm working on an essay abt this, so ideas still in process, but i love the ideas in here: https://pad.ma/texts/padma:10_Theses_on_the_Archive … #DocNowCommunity
- @documentnow ..+ that seek out documentation abt experiences/ideas of ppl of color, queer/trans ppl, immigrants + others #DocNowCommunity
- .@documentnow ..methods that acknowledge subjectivity of appraisal decisions, actively seek 2 hold the powerful accountable #DocNowCommunity
- A5: Hashtags are just technical markers, users don't follow rules they don't even. Can only be a starting point. #DocNowCommunity
- very good point (though hard to fit into 140 char tweets :p ) #docnowcommunity https://twitter.com/despens/status/753676961738788869 …
- Y'all should join the #DocNowCommunity Slack.
- A5. In the past, we have chosen not to archive feeds in which commenters made significant or personal contributions. #DocNowCommunity
- A5. I would love to see tools and methods for getting opt-in consent for archiving group-created sm content #DocNowCommunity
- #docnowcommunity Appraisal question triggered by concerns of scale: how to appraise at scale. Algorithms reify social norms and attitudes
- @theucrlibrarian Which means have to figure out ways to appraise at scale that don't recapitulate racist or elitist paradigms
- A5 IMO appraisal takes being embedded to a certain extent. Anticipating, not just reacting, gets all this closer 2 feasible #DocNowCommunity
- .@documentnow Been thinking about this. I'm a white student, documenting a movement started by students of color. I'm not seeing everything.
- A5: also, do we let donors make the decisions about the composition & collection of this material? #DocNowCommunity
- @documentnow but users are getting savvy about documenting their activities - because traditional media is spotty in telling whole story.
- @documentnow Ideally you would have a partnership. Archivists are being proactive & assembling these collections on their own now...
- @documentnow Ideally you would have a partnership. Archivists are being proactive & assembling these collections on their own now...
- @documentnow but users are getting savvy about documenting their activities - because traditional media is spotty in telling whole story.
- @staceyerdman Typically they get a say before they give it to us, but now when we grab without consent :) #docnowcommunity
- cazzerson: @fromADMwithlove @staceyerdman But there are a lot of paper materials in archives that were donated by someone other than the creator https://twitter.com/cazzerson/status/753677057662476288 …
- A5. I also think there are moments where archiving first (if privately) and asking questions later is warranted #DocNowCommunity
- #DocNowCommunity Private archiving->we did in situations involving police. Sort out key actors later. Tuff to scale. https://twitter.com/michael_connor/status/753676624512573440 …
- @clancynewyork Should scale be the goal? #DocNowCommunity
- #DocNowCommunity It's a problem that almost cannot be avoided when archiving vast social movements in social media. https://twitter.com/michael_connor/status/753677905742401536 …
- I wonder about collecting at scale, and curating smaller datasets in collaboration with communities being documented #DocNowCommunity
- #DocNowCommunity Well put. These are the key challenges that I see. https://twitter.com/melissa_hubbard/status/753679452601774081 …
- Document who is involved in the curation, why they made choices they did. #DocNowCommunity https://twitter.com/melissa_hubbard/status/753679452601774081 …
- To put it another way: there is a tendency to archive at scale by default, but should it be such a default? #DocNowCommunity
- @michael_connor I agree. It kind of begs the question of why something is being archived eh? #DocNowCommunity
- A5. One of the biggest appraisal challenges is the sheer speed of social media. Active attention is required. #DocNowCommunity
- @melissa_hubbard agreed! especially given the window some of the APIs have for providing access e.g. Twitter #DocNowCommunity
- A lot of the work I do stems from one-on-one meetings with students who were / are part of #therealuw, #DocNowCommunity.
- It _is_ time consuming, but it is vital, and it is the only way I can hear and advocate for the right voices. #DocNowCommunity
- Like @jmddrake says, paraphrased: it's not about collecting; it's about forming relationships, yielding the floor. #DocNowCommunity
- Yeah I'm starting to move away from wanting a set it & forget it / rotisserie chicken "solution" #DocNowCommunity https://twitter.com/sabramse/status/753677108895948804 …
- Addendum: but only (mostly) because I believe we have the resources! many don't & anyway I can't presume to know #DocNowCommunity
- A5 comforting / troubling to know that appraisal = appraisal across media. Same as it ever was #DocNowCommunity https://twitter.com/fromADMwithlove/status/753676632456441856 …
- A5 but also dang let's do appraisal better already. if not now, when? #DocNowCommunity
- A5. Tough one. Archivist kinda has to be in the community to understand what's most important to capture. #docnowcommunity
- #DocNowCommunity Agree But depends on goal. If collecting millions of tweets sweeping across world... diff questions https://twitter.com/destreservation/status/753677834816585728 …
Q6: How important is it that DocNow work with other Web archiving tools such as ArchiveIt, WebRecorder, Iterasi, etc?
- Q6. How important is it that DocNow work with other Web Archiving tools such as ArchiveIt, WebRecorder, Iterasi, etc? #DocNowCommunity
- Please remember to share any links to your work related to this conversation. #DocNowCommunity
- A6 Webrecorder 4 teh Win! #DocNowCommunity
- @documentnow Very important!
- @CrowCamera I forgot the why part of that question. Tell us more. #DocNowCommunity
- @documentnow because they're community-driven, open source tools that aren't afraid to try.
- #docnowcommunity A5. I'm sure some use tech to alert them to trending hashtags? Would be nice to have non-archivist community liaisons.
- But a coll of Dallas tweets might include many accusing him with no context in huge dataset #DocNowCommunity https://twitter.com/melissa_hubbard/status/753677547175604224 …
- Wondering how to meet needs of future SM archive users: need to know platform context, collection method, deletes, changes #DocNowCommunity
- @liblaura The needs of future scholars and changes to dig. culture r difficult to 4c. Technical future is more predictable. #DocNowCommunity
- @despens and we should do something rather than nothing https://twitter.com/cazzerson/status/753678865529131009 …
- @despens @cazzerson didn't mean to imply anyone was suggesting doing nothing, twitter client problem
- @liblaura Keeping options open is the most important thing. Just in time is better vs just in case. #DocNowCommunity
- I wrote this, related to #therealuw, #docnowcommunity — https://medium.com/on-archivy/on-hashtags-db2bbc1dd94b#.qts607hjj …
- A6 not sure a One Ring solution is the thing to aim for. So much to cover w/o obsessing over every possible integration... #DocNowCommunity
- A6 there's scale but what I'm hearing today stresses local contexts so maybe flexible solutions / kludging are realistic #DocNowCommunity
Q7: For those using Twitter data for research, what tools are you using for data collection and analysis?
- Q7. For those using twitter data for research, what tools are you using for data collection and analysis? #DocNowCommunity
- Ok the hour is almost up so just gonna post one more question and you can keep chatting. #DocNowCommunity
Q8: What are your concerns with documenting social movements through social media archives?
- Q8. What are your concerns with documenting social movements through social media archives? #DocNowCommunity
- A8 being an outsider is the big big big one because I happen to be an outsider everywhere, so hmm. #DocNowCommunity
- A8 being an outsider. balancing community values, personal ethics, org needs... & actually knowing all of the above #DocNowCommunity
- This has been a really great conversation. Feel free to keep it going here or in our slack channel. #DocNowCommunity https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSf3E7PAXPoT-XoedpEy9UCTpDPS8kPj5JkMwpaWbuqVP0bTrQ/viewform …
- This is random but has anyone looked into the effect of bots on hijacking hashtags and changing the makeup of collections? #DocNowCommunity
- @joecar25 @documentnow If the bots did invade a conversation they did that and influenced that conversation. #DocNowCommunity
- @despens @documentnow True, I guess bot vs. not would be just as evident to future users as long as there's good context #DocNowCommunity
- @clancynewyork for non-librarians can you describe private archiving? What is different? #DocNowCommunity
- @dpjones1983 Would depend completely on circumstances. [Also, I am not a librarian. ;-) ]
- @dpjones1983 Also, I wasn't meaning to be standoffish in my reply. It's a tricky area. Would talk to you about this, but not on Twitter.
- @clancynewyork Not standoffish. I have some knowledge of private archives. Just trying to open the convo. I hope that we do talk again.
- @dpjones1983 Got it. Thanks. Just acknowledging that I am squeamish about talking about some details because of my past activist history.
- Is anyone preserving SM of racist, sexist, anti-LGBTQ conversations? Should we? Arch's collect KKK & others on paper... #DocNowCommunity
- Do we need the sexist, racist, etc. voices to understand of what women, other marginalized groups face on the internet? #DocNowCommunity
- @MegDaLibrarian @documentnow That should be conserved, just as ads or other things we might deem rubbish #DocNowCommunity
- @MegDaLibrarian Maybe? History tends to get sanitized. There may come a time when a reminder of"how bad it was" required. #DocNowCommunity
- @dpjones1983 It provides evidence that the abused are telling the truth. Shouldn't be necessary, but even now you come up against disbelief.
- @dpjones1983 @MegDaLibrarian Sometimes it feels like that time is now :(
- .@MegDaLibrarian Creates an accountability issue, too. Evidence of hate group participation can get people fired. #DocNowCommunity
- Qs about the ephemerality of critic tweeters, how to collect a sea of anon egg accts @despens @MegDaLibrarian @documentnow #DocNowCommunity
- @MegDaLibrarian @documentnow + materials, & the burden to collect this has too long been on the oppressed groups themselves.
- @MegDaLibrarian @documentnow also begs the question who collects these? Our ivory towers haven't been great at preserving white supremacist+
- A8: loss of context, potential loss of agency of the creators, current & future privacy issues (heirs?), technical pieces. #docnowcommunity
- A8: I even wonder about how to even define "community" and "collection" in this decentralized realm? #docnowcommunity
- This work is complex and bigger than any of us, thanks for fostering discussion. #DocNowCommunity https://twitter.com/documentnow/status/753681387895463936 …
- .@edsu, also re: appraisal/acquisition (sorta): i love @Inzombia's donor's note in this finding aid http://dlib.nyu.edu/findingaids/html/fales/nguyen/index.html … #DocNowCommunity
- A8 #DocNowCommunity. Very important. And highly biased. Depends on characteristics of person creating designations. https://twitter.com/staceyerdman/status/753682982079201284 …
- The best thing about #DocNowCommunity is that it sorta feels like @kayiwa and I are working together again. (Among many great things.)
- @documentnow because they're community-driven, open source tools that aren't afraid to try.
- Thanks to you all. We'll be hosting more of these soon. Check out our medium site for updates. #DocNowCommunity https://news.docnow.io/
